wow video showing all original vista improvments

I gotta tell you... MS outdid it self this time with VISTA! They must have spent hours and hours ripping (COUGH!!!) I mean imagining what new features they would add!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4134446112378047444

I use OS X on my PC, and its nothing like Vista, its a very awkward, clumsy desktop experience. Its meant for persons who only who do word processing. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message

I gotta tell you... MS outdid it self this time with VISTA! They must have spent hours and hours ripping (COUGH!!!) I mean imagining what new features they would add!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4134446112378047444

John Jay Smith wrote:

I gotta tell you... MS outdid it self this time with VISTA! They must have spent hours and hours ripping (COUGH!!!) I mean imagining what new features they would add!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4134446112378047444

As someone who actually uses OS X as well as Windows, I'm really not sure where this idea that Vista is a rip of OS X came from. Presumably from people who only use one system and learnt everything they knew about the other one from the register.

John Jay Smith wrote:

I gotta tell you... MS outdid it self this time with VISTA! They must have spent hours and hours ripping (COUGH!!!) I mean imagining what new features they would add!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4134446112378047444
heheheh...I hope the author sent a thank you card to BG at MS for saving

Apple's ass a few years ago with a infusion of cash...like $175 million! Otherwise he'd still be using a powerchip [sic] and would still be having to delude himself into believing it was faster than any wintel setup. Frank

Having used a G4 at my uncle's in Chicago 3 years ago Vista in earlier builds did look alot like the MacOS X . But in 5308 I can see it is starting to lean away from the feel of MacOS X now. "Frank" wrote in message

John Jay Smith wrote:
I gotta tell you... MS outdid it self this time with VISTA! They must have spent hours and hours ripping (COUGH!!!) I mean imagining what new features they would add!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4134446112378047444 heheheh...I hope the author sent a thank you card to BG at MS for saving Apple's ass a few years ago with a infusion of cash...like $175 million! Otherwise he'd still be using a powerchip [sic] and would still be having to delude himself into believing it was faster than any wintel setup. Frank

The interface is totally different, transparency and a lot of dark hues is what makes Vistas interface unique. Mac OS X, lots of creamy white and brush metal. The only similarities would probably be the Gadgets and Widgets. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "michael e dziatkowicz" wrote in message

Having used a G4 at my uncle's in Chicago 3 years ago Vista in earlier builds did look alot like the MacOS X . But in 5308 I can see it is starting to lean away from the feel of MacOS X now. "Frank" wrote in message John Jay Smith wrote:
I gotta tell you... MS outdid it self this time with VISTA! They must have spent hours and hours ripping (COUGH!!!) I mean imagining what new features they would add!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4134446112378047444 heheheh...I hope the author sent a thank you card to BG at MS for saving Apple's ass a few years ago with a infusion of cash...like $175 million! Otherwise he'd still be using a powerchip [sic] and would still be having to delude himself into believing it was faster than any wintel setup. Frank

Most of the concepts used in vista are the same in Mac OSX implemented in a slightly different manner. Proof of that is this video that is actually a REAL presentation of VISTA, that they took the sound, and combined it with video screenshots from Mac OSX! This audio is a REAL vista presentation, not a mock up to relate to the video.
I have not seen one thing yet in vista that gives me a wow factor, or hit me as an original great idea. That's what MS does all the time, it follows the leader and cashes in on the trends!
However it is an advancement even if it got inspiration from others, so I am not complaining.

"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message

I gotta tell you... MS outdid it self this time with VISTA! They must have spent hours and hours ripping (COUGH!!!) I mean imagining what new features they would add!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4134446112378047444

Its meant for persons who only who do word processing.

if you post that on a mac forum... your goose will be cooked on a overheated intel chip!
lol
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

I use OS X on my PC, and its nothing like Vista, its a very awkward, clumsy desktop experience. Its meant for persons who only who do word processing. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message I gotta tell you... MS outdid it self this time with VISTA! They must have spent hours and hours ripping (COUGH!!!) I mean imagining what new features they would add!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4134446112378047444

a lot of dark hues is what makes Vistas interface unique.

I would like a way to change it into something more cheery... if it had some alternatives (an not only slightly change of hues) it would be great. After all, XP had luna blue, olive and silver.....and classic of course.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

The interface is totally different, transparency and a lot of dark hues is what makes Vistas interface unique. Mac OS X, lots of creamy white and brush metal. The only similarities would probably be the Gadgets and Widgets. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "michael e dziatkowicz" wrote in message Having used a G4 at my uncle's in Chicago 3 years ago Vista in earlier builds did look alot like the MacOS X . But in 5308 I can see it is starting to lean away from the feel of MacOS X now. "Frank" wrote in message John Jay Smith wrote:
I gotta tell you... MS outdid it self this time with VISTA! They must have spent hours and hours ripping (COUGH!!!) I mean imagining what new features they would add!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4134446112378047444 heheheh...I hope the author sent a thank you card to BG at MS for saving Apple's ass a few years ago with a infusion of cash...like $175 million! Otherwise he'd still be using a powerchip [sic] and would still be having to delude himself into believing it was faster than any wintel setup. Frank

John Jay Smith wrote:

Most of the concepts used in vista are the same in Mac OSX implemented in a slightly different manner. Proof of that is this video that is actually a REAL presentation of VISTA, that they took the sound, and combined it with video screenshots from Mac OSX! This audio is a REAL vista presentation, not a mock up to relate to the video.
I have not seen one thing yet in vista that gives me a wow factor, or hit me as an original great idea. That's what MS does all the time, it follows the leader and cashes in on the trends!
However it is an advancement even if it got inspiration from others, so I am not complaining.

"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
I gotta tell you... MS outdid it self this time with VISTA! They must have spent hours and hours ripping (COUGH!!!) I mean imagining what new features they would add!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4134446112378047444

MS "follows the leader"? You mean like Jobs stealing from Xerox R&D? Is that what you mean? Are you an Apple groupie? It sure sounds like you are. That's not quite as bad as being a Limux loser! But, you need to get a real life cause maybe the one you're currently living is borrowed or stolen and you don't even know it! Frank

http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/longhorn_4008.asp
AFAIK Vista had those features years before OS X. Stop saying MS steal ideas from Apple. Apple steals from MS too. The difference is Apple never releases any info about their OS development to the public.

"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message

Most of the concepts used in vista are the same in Mac OSX implemented in a slightly different manner. Proof of that is this video that is actually a REAL presentation of VISTA, that they took the sound, and combined it with video screenshots from Mac OSX! This audio is a REAL vista presentation, not a mock up to relate to the video.
I have not seen one thing yet in vista that gives me a wow factor, or hit me as an original great idea. That's what MS does all the time, it follows the leader and cashes in on the trends!
However it is an advancement even if it got inspiration from others, so I am not complaining.

"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message I gotta tell you... MS outdid it self this time with VISTA! They must have spent hours and hours ripping (COUGH!!!) I mean imagining what new features they would add!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4134446112378047444

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

I use OS X on my PC, and its nothing like Vista, its a very awkward, clumsy desktop experience. Its meant for persons who only who do word processing.

I really want to get OSX working on my PC. My current install boots fine in safe mode but tells me that I have to restart the computer in normal mode.
DFI Lanparty NF4 Ultra-D s939 mainboard, nVidia 7600GT PCIe videocard, PATA hard drive...
Any pointers are appreciated.

You can, the dark hues is default. To make it more cheery, Open Control Panel > Personalization > Themes > and select a colour. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message

a lot of dark hues is what makes Vistas interface unique.
I would like a way to change it into something more cheery... if it had some alternatives (an not only slightly change of hues) it would be great. After all, XP had luna blue, olive and silver.....and classic of course.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message The interface is totally different, transparency and a lot of dark hues is what makes Vistas interface unique. Mac OS X, lots of creamy white and brush metal. The only similarities would probably be the Gadgets and Widgets. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "michael e dziatkowicz" wrote in message Having used a G4 at my uncle's in Chicago 3 years ago Vista in earlier builds did look alot like the MacOS X . But in 5308 I can see it is starting to lean away from the feel of MacOS X now. "Frank" wrote in message John Jay Smith wrote:
I gotta tell you... MS outdid it self this time with VISTA! They must have spent hours and hours ripping (COUGH!!!) I mean imagining what new features they would add!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4134446112378047444 heheheh...I hope the author sent a thank you card to BG at MS for saving Apple's ass a few years ago with a infusion of cash...like $175 million! Otherwise he'd still be using a powerchip [sic] and would still be having to delude himself into believing it was faster than any wintel setup. Frank

Glass never worked for me because my test computer has a TNT display adaptor, and I dont want to install the beta on other machines... but I think it slightly changes the hue and not make the colors very vibrant like fire read, or luna blue.. etc.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

You can, the dark hues is default. To make it more cheery, Open Control Panel > Personalization > Themes > and select a colour. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message a lot of dark hues is what makes Vistas interface unique.
I would like a way to change it into something more cheery... if it had some alternatives (an not only slightly change of hues) it would be great. After all, XP had luna blue, olive and silver.....and classic of course.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message The interface is totally different, transparency and a lot of dark hues is what makes Vistas interface unique. Mac OS X, lots of creamy white and brush metal. The only similarities would probably be the Gadgets and Widgets. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "michael e dziatkowicz" wrote in message Having used a G4 at my uncle's in Chicago 3 years ago Vista in earlier builds did look alot like the MacOS X . But in 5308 I can see it is starting to lean away from the feel of MacOS X now. "Frank" wrote in message John Jay Smith wrote:
I gotta tell you... MS outdid it self this time with VISTA! They must have spent hours and hours ripping (COUGH!!!) I mean imagining what new features they would add!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4134446112378047444 heheheh...I hope the author sent a thank you card to BG at MS for saving Apple's ass a few years ago with a infusion of cash...like $175 million! Otherwise he'd still be using a powerchip [sic] and would still be having to delude himself into believing it was faster than any wintel setup. Frank

I am not a mac user. I have learned other OS other than windows in order to gain more understanding about computers in general. I have studied the history of computer development and praise should go to the people who do the developments.

But, you need to get a real life cause maybe the one you're currently living is borrowed or stolen and you don't even know it! Frank

You need to get a brain.
"Frank" wrote in message

John Jay Smith wrote: Most of the concepts used in vista are the same in Mac OSX implemented in a slightly different manner. Proof of that is this video that is actually a REAL presentation of VISTA, that they took the sound, and combined it with video screenshots from Mac OSX! This audio is a REAL vista presentation, not a mock up to relate to the video.
I have not seen one thing yet in vista that gives me a wow factor, or hit me as an original great idea. That's what MS does all the time, it follows the leader and cashes in on the trends!
However it is an advancement even if it got inspiration from others, so I am not complaining.

"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
I gotta tell you... MS outdid it self this time with VISTA! They must have spent hours and hours ripping (COUGH!!!) I mean imagining what new features they would add!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4134446112378047444


MS "follows the leader"? You mean like Jobs stealing from Xerox R&D? Is that what you mean? Are you an Apple groupie? It sure sounds like you are. That's not quite as bad as being a Limux loser! But, you need to get a real life cause maybe the one you're currently living is borrowed or stolen and you don't even know it! Frank

Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:

The interface is totally different, transparency and a lot of dark hues is what makes Vistas interface unique. Mac OS X, lots of creamy white and brush metal. The only similarities would probably be the Gadgets and Widgets.

Which OSX stole from elsewhere too.
I guess "innovation" in computing is what they call it if no one knows where you stole your new feature from ;-)

Look I am a windows user. Indeed all these companies borrow from each other ideas. This is not new, and its not bad as long as it doesn't infringe any patents. Linux is borrowing heavily on other platforms, mainly windows. (I am talking about what programs exist and their interfaces not the underlying structure that is based on unix).
But you HAVE to learn your history. Apple computers are always ahead of their time and they are doing innovative work. MS does not try too many new things that have not been proven, its strategy as a company is to work on proved ground and cash in on ideas that work, or people already like. I am not saying that this is bad... this is how they expanded so much. The pioneers do not always get the best of their findings. However you cannot ignore the contribution of people who generate the ideas. You must learn some computer history. The mouse-desktop-icon interface was an apple creation. Also apples proved to the world that a personal computer that is economic yet powerful is feasible. They were the ones that went beyond everyone elses belief that computers must cost millions and only a few could have access to them, and to buy one was out of the question.


"Howard" wrote in message

http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/longhorn_4008.asp
AFAIK Vista had those features years before OS X. Stop saying MS steal ideas from Apple. Apple steals from MS too. The difference is Apple never releases any info about their OS development to the public.

"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message Most of the concepts used in vista are the same in Mac OSX implemented in a slightly different manner. Proof of that is this video that is actually a REAL presentation of VISTA, that they took the sound, and combined it with video screenshots from Mac OSX! This audio is a REAL vista presentation, not a mock up to relate to the video.
I have not seen one thing yet in vista that gives me a wow factor, or hit me as an original great idea. That's what MS does all the time, it follows the leader and cashes in on the trends!
However it is an advancement even if it got inspiration from others, so I am not complaining.

"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message I gotta tell you... MS outdid it self this time with VISTA! They must have spent hours and hours ripping (COUGH!!!) I mean imagining what new features they would add!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4134446112378047444

I was just about to note that yeh - Vista really is totally different, and I still honestly don't think that they've "plagirised" anything from Mac OSX. But you can almost guarantee that Vista will still be more popular than Mac OSX because it's Windows - people still trust Windows regardless of the little *blips* in security... they know how to use Windows and will probably continue to do so.
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--: Original message follows :-- "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

The interface is totally different, transparency and a lot of dark hues is what makes Vistas interface unique. Mac OS X, lots of creamy white and brush metal. The only similarities would probably be the Gadgets and Widgets. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "michael e dziatkowicz" wrote in message Having used a G4 at my uncle's in Chicago 3 years ago Vista in earlier builds did look alot like the MacOS X . But in 5308 I can see it is starting to lean away from the feel of MacOS X now. "Frank" wrote in message John Jay Smith wrote:
I gotta tell you... MS outdid it self this time with VISTA! They must have spent hours and hours ripping (COUGH!!!) I mean imagining what new features they would add!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4134446112378047444 heheheh...I hope the author sent a thank you card to BG at MS for saving Apple's ass a few years ago with a infusion of cash...like $175 million! Otherwise he'd still be using a powerchip [sic] and would still be having to delude himself into believing it was faster than any wintel setup. Frank

Well using the colour swab selector, you can change it to ANY colour you want.
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--: Original message follows :-- "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message

Glass never worked for me because my test computer has a TNT display adaptor, and I dont want to install the beta on other machines... but I think it slightly changes the hue and not make the colors very vibrant like fire read, or luna blue.. etc.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message You can, the dark hues is default. To make it more cheery, Open Control Panel > Personalization > Themes > and select a colour. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message a lot of dark hues is what makes Vistas interface unique.
I would like a way to change it into something more cheery... if it had some alternatives (an not only slightly change of hues) it would be great. After all, XP had luna blue, olive and silver.....and classic of course.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message The interface is totally different, transparency and a lot of dark hues is what makes Vistas interface unique. Mac OS X, lots of creamy white and brush metal. The only similarities would probably be the Gadgets and Widgets. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "michael e dziatkowicz" wrote in message Having used a G4 at my uncle's in Chicago 3 years ago Vista in earlier builds did look alot like the MacOS X . But in 5308 I can see it is starting to lean away from the feel of MacOS X now. "Frank" wrote in message John Jay Smith wrote:
I gotta tell you... MS outdid it self this time with VISTA! They must have spent hours and hours ripping (COUGH!!!) I mean imagining what new features they would add!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4134446112378047444 heheheh...I hope the author sent a thank you card to BG at MS for saving Apple's ass a few years ago with a infusion of cash...like $175 million! Otherwise he'd still be using a powerchip [sic] and would still be having to delude himself into believing it was faster than any wintel setup. Frank

Zack would it be too much to ask if you could post some screenshots with different colors so I can see how it is? Also a screenshot of the color controls would be interesting. THANKS!
you can use http://imageshack.us/ to upload the screenshots..
thanks!
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message

Well using the colour swab selector, you can change it to ANY colour you want.
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--: Original message follows :-- "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message Glass never worked for me because my test computer has a TNT display adaptor, and I dont want to install the beta on other machines... but I think it slightly changes the hue and not make the colors very vibrant like fire read, or luna blue.. etc.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message You can, the dark hues is default. To make it more cheery, Open Control Panel > Personalization > Themes > and select a colour. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message a lot of dark hues is what makes Vistas interface unique.
I would like a way to change it into something more cheery... if it had some alternatives (an not only slightly change of hues) it would be great. After all, XP had luna blue, olive and silver.....and classic of course.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message The interface is totally different, transparency and a lot of dark hues is what makes Vistas interface unique. Mac OS X, lots of creamy white and brush metal. The only similarities would probably be the Gadgets and Widgets. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "michael e dziatkowicz" wrote in message Having used a G4 at my uncle's in Chicago 3 years ago Vista in earlier builds did look alot like the MacOS X . But in 5308 I can see it is starting to lean away from the feel of MacOS X now. "Frank" wrote in message John Jay Smith wrote:
I gotta tell you... MS outdid it self this time with VISTA! They must have spent hours and hours ripping (COUGH!!!) I mean imagining what new features they would add!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4134446112378047444 heheheh...I hope the author sent a thank you card to BG at MS for saving Apple's ass a few years ago with a infusion of cash...like $175 million! Otherwise he'd still be using a powerchip [sic] and would still be having to delude himself into believing it was faster than any wintel setup. Frank

Robert Moir scribbled: ....

I guess "innovation" in computing is what they call it if no one knows where you stole your new feature from ;-)

Well, it's the zeitgeist, isn't it, whom everybody borrows from...
rOy

John Jay Smith wrote:

... I have studied the history of computer development and praise should go to the people who do the developments.

Then praise Xerox R&D. Also if you actually studied the development of computers you may want to add that remedial reading comprehension class to your schedule. Frank

John Jay Smith wrote:

But you HAVE to learn your history.

You need to practice what you preach! Frank

Screenshotting on my Vista machine whilst Glass is enabled doesn't work I'm afraid - however if you look on my VistaBase Gallery (links below), you can see the settings and the colour changes. Although it's a few builds back, it still remains in the latest builds and will continue to be there until RTM.
First person to try this by the way, just written it now :o) http://www.vistabase.co.uk/go.php?linkid=1 http://www.vistabase.co.uk/go.php?linkid=2
Hope this helps you understand it a bit better! :o)
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--: Original message follows :-- "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message

Zack would it be too much to ask if you could post some screenshots with different colors so I can see how it is? Also a screenshot of the color controls would be interesting. THANKS!
you can use http://imageshack.us/ to upload the screenshots..
thanks!
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message Well using the colour swab selector, you can change it to ANY colour you want.
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message Glass never worked for me because my test computer has a TNT display adaptor, and I dont want to install the beta on other machines... but I think it slightly changes the hue and not make the colors very vibrant like fire read, or luna blue.. etc.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message You can, the dark hues is default. To make it more cheery, Open Control Panel > Personalization > Themes > and select a colour. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message a lot of dark hues is what makes Vistas interface unique.
I would like a way to change it into something more cheery... if it had some alternatives (an not only slightly change of hues) it would be great. After all, XP had luna blue, olive and silver.....and classic of course.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message The interface is totally different, transparency and a lot of dark hues is what makes Vistas interface unique. Mac OS X, lots of creamy white and brush metal. The only similarities would probably be the Gadgets and Widgets. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "michael e dziatkowicz" wrote in message Having used a G4 at my uncle's in Chicago 3 years ago Vista in earlier builds did look alot like the MacOS X . But in 5308 I can see it is starting to lean away from the feel of MacOS X now. "Frank" wrote in message John Jay Smith wrote:
I gotta tell you... MS outdid it self this time with VISTA! They must have spent hours and hours ripping (COUGH!!!) I mean imagining what new features they would add!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4134446112378047444 heheheh...I hope the author sent a thank you card to BG at MS for saving Apple's ass a few years ago with a infusion of cash...like $175 million! Otherwise he'd still be using a powerchip [sic] and would still be having to delude himself into believing it was faster than any wintel setup. Frank

I must make a correction, its actually, Personalization > Visual Appearance. -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message

Zack would it be too much to ask if you could post some screenshots with different colors so I can see how it is? Also a screenshot of the color controls would be interesting. THANKS!
you can use http://imageshack.us/ to upload the screenshots..
thanks!
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message Well using the colour swab selector, you can change it to ANY colour you want.
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--: Original message follows :-- "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message Glass never worked for me because my test computer has a TNT display adaptor, and I dont want to install the beta on other machines... but I think it slightly changes the hue and not make the colors very vibrant like fire read, or luna blue.. etc.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message You can, the dark hues is default. To make it more cheery, Open Control Panel > Personalization > Themes > and select a colour. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message a lot of dark hues is what makes Vistas interface unique.
I would like a way to change it into something more cheery... if it had some alternatives (an not only slightly change of hues) it would be great. After all, XP had luna blue, olive and silver.....and classic of course.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message The interface is totally different, transparency and a lot of dark hues is what makes Vistas interface unique. Mac OS X, lots of creamy white and brush metal. The only similarities would probably be the Gadgets and Widgets. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "michael e dziatkowicz" wrote in message Having used a G4 at my uncle's in Chicago 3 years ago Vista in earlier builds did look alot like the MacOS X . But in 5308 I can see it is starting to lean away from the feel of MacOS X now. "Frank" wrote in message John Jay Smith wrote:
I gotta tell you... MS outdid it self this time with VISTA! They must have spent hours and hours ripping (COUGH!!!) I mean imagining what new features they would add!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4134446112378047444 heheheh...I hope the author sent a thank you card to BG at MS for saving Apple's ass a few years ago with a infusion of cash...like $175 million! Otherwise he'd still be using a powerchip [sic] and would still be having to delude himself into believing it was faster than any wintel setup. Frank

I am learning new things all the time
peace
"Frank" wrote in message

John Jay Smith wrote:

But you HAVE to learn your history.
You need to practice what you preach! Frank

Zack thanks for the info....
I believe that the intensity can be greater making it more vibrant color, right? This is nice then! I had no way of knowing since as I said my test computer cant handle glass... perhaps I should get a new card for Vista Beta 2...
You know of any cheap ones I can get for my test computer that supports 2 monitors?
PS. I am looking forward to teaming up with some people here that have done incredible work on their sites.. mine is almost ready. I have some ideas I will send you soon...

"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message

Screenshotting on my Vista machine whilst Glass is enabled doesn't work I'm afraid - however if you look on my VistaBase Gallery (links below), you can see the settings and the colour changes. Although it's a few builds back, it still remains in the latest builds and will continue to be there until RTM.
First person to try this by the way, just written it now :o) http://www.vistabase.co.uk/go.php?linkid=1 http://www.vistabase.co.uk/go.php?linkid=2
Hope this helps you understand it a bit better! :o)
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--: Original message follows :-- "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message Zack would it be too much to ask if you could post some screenshots with different colors so I can see how it is? Also a screenshot of the color controls would be interesting. THANKS!
you can use http://imageshack.us/ to upload the screenshots..
thanks!
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message Well using the colour swab selector, you can change it to ANY colour you want.
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message Glass never worked for me because my test computer has a TNT display adaptor, and I dont want to install the beta on other machines... but I think it slightly changes the hue and not make the colors very vibrant like fire read, or luna blue.. etc.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message You can, the dark hues is default. To make it more cheery, Open Control Panel > Personalization > Themes > and select a colour. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message a lot of dark hues is what makes Vistas interface unique.
I would like a way to change it into something more cheery... if it had some alternatives (an not only slightly change of hues) it would be great. After all, XP had luna blue, olive and silver.....and classic of course.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message The interface is totally different, transparency and a lot of dark hues is what makes Vistas interface unique. Mac OS X, lots of creamy white and brush metal. The only similarities would probably be the Gadgets and Widgets. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "michael e dziatkowicz" wrote in message Having used a G4 at my uncle's in Chicago 3 years ago Vista in earlier builds did look alot like the MacOS X . But in 5308 I can see it is starting to lean away from the feel of MacOS X now. "Frank" wrote in message John Jay Smith wrote:
I gotta tell you... MS outdid it self this time with VISTA! They must have spent hours and hours ripping (COUGH!!!) I mean imagining what new features they would add!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4134446112378047444 heheheh...I hope the author sent a thank you card to BG at MS for saving Apple's ass a few years ago with a infusion of cash...like $175 million! Otherwise he'd still be using a powerchip [sic] and would still be having to delude himself into believing it was faster than any wintel setup. Frank

I believe that the intensity can be greater making it more vibrant color, right? Yep of course :o)

You know of any cheap ones I can get for my test computer that supports 2 monitors? I'm sure Kevin will throw his two penny worth in here, but seeing as I've

blocked him, I dont care! I've got a GeForce 6200 - works really well :o) Very cheap as well, only £20 so that's probably about $35 I think?
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--: Original message follows :-- "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message

Zack thanks for the info....
I believe that the intensity can be greater making it more vibrant color, right? This is nice then! I had no way of knowing since as I said my test computer cant handle glass... perhaps I should get a new card for Vista Beta 2...
You know of any cheap ones I can get for my test computer that supports 2 monitors?
PS. I am looking forward to teaming up with some people here that have done incredible work on their sites.. mine is almost ready. I have some ideas I will send you soon...

"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message Screenshotting on my Vista machine whilst Glass is enabled doesn't work I'm afraid - however if you look on my VistaBase Gallery (links below), you can see the settings and the colour changes. Although it's a few builds back, it still remains in the latest builds and will continue to be there until RTM.
First person to try this by the way, just written it now :o) http://www.vistabase.co.uk/go.php?linkid=1 http://www.vistabase.co.uk/go.php?linkid=2
Hope this helps you understand it a bit better! :o)
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message Zack would it be too much to ask if you could post some screenshots with different colors so I can see how it is? Also a screenshot of the color controls would be interesting. THANKS!
you can use http://imageshack.us/ to upload the screenshots..
thanks!
"Zack Whittaker" wrote in message Well using the colour swab selector, you can change it to ANY colour you want.
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message Glass never worked for me because my test computer has a TNT display adaptor, and I dont want to install the beta on other machines... but I think it slightly changes the hue and not make the colors very vibrant like fire read, or luna blue.. etc.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message You can, the dark hues is default. To make it more cheery, Open Control Panel > Personalization > Themes > and select a colour. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message a lot of dark hues is what makes Vistas interface unique.
I would like a way to change it into something more cheery... if it had some alternatives (an not only slightly change of hues) it would be great. After all, XP had luna blue, olive and silver.....and classic of course.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message The interface is totally different, transparency and a lot of dark hues is what makes Vistas interface unique. Mac OS X, lots of creamy white and brush metal. The only similarities would probably be the Gadgets and Widgets. -- Andre Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta "michael e dziatkowicz" wrote in message Having used a G4 at my uncle's in Chicago 3 years ago Vista in earlier builds did look alot like the MacOS X . But in 5308 I can see it is starting to lean away from the feel of MacOS X now. "Frank" wrote in message John Jay Smith wrote:
I gotta tell you... MS outdid it self this time with VISTA! They must have spent hours and hours ripping (COUGH!!!) I mean imagining what new features they would add!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4134446112378047444 heheheh...I hope the author sent a thank you card to BG at MS for saving Apple's ass a few years ago with a infusion of cash...like $175 million! Otherwise he'd still be using a powerchip [sic] and would still be having to delude himself into believing it was faster than any wintel setup. Frank

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John Jay Smith wrote: | Look I am a windows user. Indeed all these companies borrow from each | other ideas.
And they listen to customer requests and results of usability studies.
| This is not new, and its not bad as long as it doesn't infringe any | patents. Linux is borrowing heavily on other platforms, mainly windows.
"Borrowed" is an understatement in the case of KDE/Gnome
| (I am talking about what programs exist and their interfaces not the | underlying structure that is based on unix). | | But you HAVE to learn your history. Apple computers are always ahead of | their time
Bull. Blanket statement and not the case. Apple is sorta behind the times now. Heck, they are basing their platform on a sixties OS. And the UNIX underpinning is just a dusty carpet that will pulled out from under them as the .NET based Microsoft's PowerShell will bring them low and blow your mind.
| and they are doing innovative work. MS does not try too many new things | that have not been | proven, its strategy as a company is to work on proved ground and cash in | on ideas that work, or people already like. I am not saying that this is | bad... this is how they expanded so much. The pioneers do not always get | the best of their findings.
The Vista GUI is DirectX .. that's working near the front edge of the GUI curve. Stardock is going to have a field day. WinKey plus tab is only a small hint .. but a hint you should get.
| However you cannot ignore the contribution of people who generate the | ideas. You must learn some computer history. The mouse-desktop-icon | interface was an apple | creation.
No. It wasn't. Xerox had that before Apple did a copy-cat on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_GUI
|Also apples proved to the world that a personal computer that is | economic yet powerful is feasible. They were the ones that went beyond | everyone elses belief that computers | must cost millions and only a few could have access to them, and to buy | one was out of the question.
And that's not true neither. There were small computers created for the hobbiest etc. well before the Apple. Micro-soft used to program for the Altaire etc. And there were offerings from Tandy, Commodore etc. etc. Friends of mine were word processing away well before the PC and without the Apple: http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=98
| | | | | "Howard" wrote in message | || http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/longhorn_4008.asp || || AFAIK Vista had those features years before OS X. || Stop saying MS steal ideas from Apple. Apple steals from MS too. || The difference is Apple never releases any info about their OS || development to the public. || || || || "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message || ||| Most of the concepts <chop chop>

Stephen wrote:

Inline:
John Jay Smith wrote: | Look I am a windows user. Indeed all these companies borrow from each | other ideas.
And they listen to customer requests and results of usability studies.
| This is not new, and its not bad as long as it doesn't infringe any | patents. Linux is borrowing heavily on other platforms, mainly windows.
"Borrowed" is an understatement in the case of KDE/Gnome
| (I am talking about what programs exist and their interfaces not the | underlying structure that is based on unix). | | But you HAVE to learn your history. Apple computers are always ahead of | their time
Bull. Blanket statement and not the case. Apple is sorta behind the times now. Heck, they are basing their platform on a sixties OS. And the UNIX underpinning is just a dusty carpet that will pulled out from under them as the .NET based Microsoft's PowerShell will bring them low and blow your mind.
| and they are doing innovative work. MS does not try too many new things | that have not been | proven, its strategy as a company is to work on proved ground and cash in | on ideas that work, or people already like. I am not saying that this is | bad... this is how they expanded so much. The pioneers do not always get | the best of their findings.
The Vista GUI is DirectX .. that's working near the front edge of the GUI curve. Stardock is going to have a field day. WinKey plus tab is only a small hint .. but a hint you should get.
| However you cannot ignore the contribution of people who generate the | ideas. You must learn some computer history. The mouse-desktop-icon | interface was an apple | creation.
No. It wasn't. Xerox had that before Apple did a copy-cat on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_GUI
|Also apples proved to the world that a personal computer that is | economic yet powerful is feasible. They were the ones that went beyond | everyone elses belief that computers | must cost millions and only a few could have access to them, and to buy | one was out of the question.
And that's not true neither. There were small computers created for the hobbiest etc. well before the Apple. Micro-soft used to program for the Altaire etc. And there were offerings from Tandy, Commodore etc. etc. Friends of mine were word processing away well before the PC and without the Apple: http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=98
| | | | | "Howard" wrote in message | || http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/longhorn_4008.asp || || AFAIK Vista had those features years before OS X. || Stop saying MS steal ideas from Apple. Apple steals from MS too. || The difference is Apple never releases any info about their OS || development to the public. || || || || "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message || ||| Most of the concepts <chop chop

Ouch! The truth hurts. THX Frank

Altair.. yes....
the total truth is that the computers were invented by the greeks 2000 years ago. And they did have a 3d gui.. in fact the whole machine was 3d :-)

"Stephen" wrote in message

Inline:
John Jay Smith wrote: | Look I am a windows user. Indeed all these companies borrow from each | other ideas.
And they listen to customer requests and results of usability studies.
| This is not new, and its not bad as long as it doesn't infringe any | patents. Linux is borrowing heavily on other platforms, mainly windows.
"Borrowed" is an understatement in the case of KDE/Gnome
| (I am talking about what programs exist and their interfaces not the | underlying structure that is based on unix). | | But you HAVE to learn your history. Apple computers are always ahead of | their time
Bull. Blanket statement and not the case. Apple is sorta behind the times now. Heck, they are basing their platform on a sixties OS. And the UNIX underpinning is just a dusty carpet that will pulled out from under them as the .NET based Microsoft's PowerShell will bring them low and blow your mind.
| and they are doing innovative work. MS does not try too many new things | that have not been | proven, its strategy as a company is to work on proved ground and cash in | on ideas that work, or people already like. I am not saying that this is | bad... this is how they expanded so much. The pioneers do not always get | the best of their findings.
The Vista GUI is DirectX .. that's working near the front edge of the GUI curve. Stardock is going to have a field day. WinKey plus tab is only a small hint .. but a hint you should get.
| However you cannot ignore the contribution of people who generate the | ideas. You must learn some computer history. The mouse-desktop-icon | interface was an apple | creation.
No. It wasn't. Xerox had that before Apple did a copy-cat on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_GUI
|Also apples proved to the world that a personal computer that is | economic yet powerful is feasible. They were the ones that went beyond | everyone elses belief that computers | must cost millions and only a few could have access to them, and to buy | one was out of the question.
And that's not true neither. There were small computers created for the hobbiest etc. well before the Apple. Micro-soft used to program for the Altaire etc. And there were offerings from Tandy, Commodore etc. etc. Friends of mine were word processing away well before the PC and without the Apple: http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=98
| | | | | "Howard" wrote in message | || http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/longhorn_4008.asp || || AFAIK Vista had those features years before OS X. || Stop saying MS steal ideas from Apple. Apple steals from MS too. || The difference is Apple never releases any info about their OS || development to the public. || || || || "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message || ||| Most of the concepts <chop chop